Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Issue 108458
All Comments are hidden but Comment area remains
Last modified: 2017-05-20 11:17:57 UTC
Open the attached document. It contains one annotation but it is hidden. However OOo still shows the annotation area to the right of the document and adjusts the zoom factor accordingly. Ideally the annotation area should not be present at all if no annotations are visible. If that is not possible, at least adjust the zoom factor as if it were not there, so that it is scrolled out of view when opening the document.
Created attachment 67295 [details] All annotations are hidden, but the annotation are remains an ugly stripe to the right of the document.
It must be determined if there are still non-hidden comments in the document. I think, that this is not implemented yet.
@christophnoack: should the sidepane be hidden if there are comments, but only hidden ones?
@mod: I don't get it :-) The feature of "hidden notes" isn't implemented in Writer, is it? If not, is this a feature available in the Oasis specification? Bye!
yes, it is implemented. Select the anchor(or characters around it)and set the character format to hidden, and you will not see the note anymore. (Note: this is different from some earlier prototype, where you could select the popup button and select "Hide Note") The question here is: if all notes are hidden(in the sample document there is only one note, which is hidden), should we show the sidebar or not
@mod: The basic point is whether the user wants to know if there are any notes in the document. I think this is a 50/50 decision here, since some users may still want to know that there are notes in the document (e.g. when sending them to other people; currently still shown in the Navigator) or if they want to hide everything because it disturbs them during work (no problem, since the side pane can easily been deactivated in an editable document). If we would have the Document Check I proposed, I would go for hiding the side pane per default. But without this functionality and with regard to our decisions so far (being very cautious with regard to hidden information) we might keep it. Finally, I don't know real _reasons_ to go for this/that. The best solution so far would even be to mark the sidepane with something like "Document contains hidden notes" to make clear why it is shown. As you may have noticed, completely different from what has been proposed initially :-)
ok, I guess no strong points for either one and just a matter of taste. If we change it, I'm sure people will complain that they missed a comment. Worth an option? I guess not! -> resolved wontfix If anything new comes up, we can always reopen
closing
I don't buy the "people will complain that they missed a comment" argument. When the document creator has hidden a comment, then the comment is obviously not meant for consumption by receivers of the document who are not told specifically about it. Why else would he have hidden the comment? You are thinking about techies. Those can use the navigator to find all comments. About not being worth an option. That's a good point, but we already have an option for it that is perfectly applicable. It's the option to show hidden text. Obviously this should make the side pane with the comments re-appear because it makes the text the comments are attached to appear. This further eliminates your argument that people could be bothered by missing a comment. There is no indication that there is any hidden text in a document unless you decide to turn on the option to show it. So far, no one has complained. I don't see how comments should be different from the main text. And if I may remind you, before the side pane was introduced, comments were exactly like text. The little boxes disappeared completely when the text was invisible, unless showing hidden text was enabled. All I want is to have the old behaviour back. If it was okay back then, it's okay now. We have to scenarios where hidden comments come into play. The first one is when parts of a document are hidden/unhidden on demand (through an interactive extension) and comments related to hidden text are not supposed to be read (because they don't apply). The second are comments that contain data only for consumption by our extension. In both cases I don't want the user experience to suffer by a sub-optimal zoom factor and an empty side panel that will confuse ordinary users (who wonder if this is a graphic bug and they should be seeing something there), but this is what OOo currently does.
>About not being worth an option. That's a good point, but we already have an >option for it that is perfectly applicable. It's the option to show hidden text. >Obviously this should make the side pane with the comments re-appear because it >makes the text the comments are attached to appear. @christophnoack: makes sense to me, do you agree?
@mod: As I already said, it seems to be a 50/50 decision. So we don't do additional harm when changing it - if you like. But before you start and just for clarification: This should then also work for a) viewing hidden text with viewing Non-printing Characters activated, b) un-hiding text via default format, c) changing hidden status via styles. What I don't know at the moment: What will happen if the user explicitly activates View -- Notes (which is an active element). Then, the user definitively wants to see the notes. Any ideas? @mux2005: If you buy it or not ;-) Comments are often used to just put together some rough thoughts which might not be too kind, well formulated, ... In contrast, people are more aware of the main text to be viewable by others. That is one of the basic principles for the design of the notes. Bye, Christoph
@christophnoack: As I've said, all I want is the old pre-sidebar behaviour back with respect to invisibility. If there are any ambiguities, just do what OOo 2.x did in the same situation.
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